KISS principal

Mon-Fri the past month this is the only bike I've touched.

Darn ghetto, eh?  I've had this 9.8 frame for maybe 5 years now and it's seen all sorts of use, but has never been set up for long at any one time.  It's current lifeform is w/ the Surly singleator + SS conversion kit.  About 3 days after Moab I knew I had to get this thing singled out...had the parts since '05 just hadn't done it yet.  The surly instructions start out with "1.  Take off all that gear crap and toss it in the trash..." 

SS riding is so...different.  Maybe it's the crappy old SID noodle I'm running, but it really seems to make me pay attention to lines more.  Momentum is your friend, and losing it is costly.  Then there's the matter of torque.  Cadences range from near zero to as high as you can go.  When cadences are super low, it takes a lot of torque to get over that next obstacle.  This is unlike geared bikes where you can spin on up and keep torque fairly low.  In other words, it just might be possible that strength can be a real limiter for SS climbing - and some strength training could be in order if I was to get serious about SS riding.

Which, BTW, I am.  I'll do a Kokopelli trail ride on the SS in '08 - underground race style.  I'm considering some other big events too on the SS but we'll see how a few small ones go first ;)

So that means the powertap is going on the SS.  Some quadrant analysis will give good ideas about the amount of strength required ... once I see some of that data I'll thinker on whether or not time in the gym is going to get the nod.  It's hard to imagine as when I stopped lifting in the winter I started to get a lot faster.

What's the consensus in the SS crowd?  Y'all do any strength training?  Looking at Dicky I'd guess not, but hey looking at Kenny Jones maybe so.  2 fast SS guys with opposite builds.

What started as a whim is sparking new interest - and that is a ton of fun.  Something new to deconstruct/reconstruct. 

Just hope the knees and elbows hold out.


Published Wednesday, November 07, 2007 6:30 PM by Dave


# @ Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:05 PM

I hate to break it to you, but underground race style and PT hubs don't go together ;-)

You're right on SS though. I switched over to a fully rigid this past summer and have been loving it, but man you pay dearly when you scrub some speed in the corners. Brakes are the enemy. :-)

Travis S

# @ Wednesday, November 07, 2007 9:56 PM

I'll agree that the PT and underground thing don't quite mix ;)

I am so overjoyed to see yah on a single =)

Winter I do some swiming and I'll mosy into the wight room a bit but just some push ups/pull ups here and there....


# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 12:19 AM


You had me with the KTR SS ride.

I gotta say (agreeing with the others) that the rest of the post shows a need for more SS riding. I couldn't follow any of that. My SS is orange. Yours looks black and blue.

All my geared bikes are currently for sale. I propose a SS assault on a big, 'underground' (???) event this year. No need to do it outside race day. Make those shifty riders suffer!

Don't lose sight of that title!!

Fred W

ps. ask me about eccentric hubs.


# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:17 AM

Where to begin....
SS and a Powertap? AND weight training?
You're going the wrong way with this.
SS is all about being under prepared and drinking beer. The less technology and effort the better. I don't remember Vikings having Thrust and Blow Meters on their battle axes.
SS'ing is pain, regret, poor gear choice, hangover-laden excuses, facial hair, negligence, piss-poor maintenance, death, and mad skilz that most certainly pay the bilz.

Time to sell all your crap bikes and just get the real deal fool. All the cool kids know that ya gots to have the big wheels on the SS killing machine.


# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:18 AM

oh yeah....

of course I weight-train. How do think I get myself on the cover of Flex Magazine every year?


# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:40 AM

...and don't forget the tatoo! All cool singlespeeders have tatoos don't they? :)

dave byers

# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:50 AM

I have a brand new pair of Sram XO trigger shifters in the box for sale: $138

Just in case you change your mind.

Jeff Kerkove

# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 7:52 AM

Love these comments y'all, you guys are cracking me up.

I've never been one to be influenced much by peer pressure and by now I'm sure you realize I'll be putting my own twist on this latest obsession.

The bike that really grabs me has suspension front and rear - no way will I go full rigid. Hell, that SID kills my hands after 2 hours...or maybe that's cause it isn't Ergon equiped? Or the fork is always locked out??

Fred - I have looked at eccentric hubs...has your experience with them been good, bad or other?


# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:01 AM

I ran an Eno Ecc. hub for a good year. It works well, but not as well as a true SS frame (it puts the chainline further inboard, the disc Eno is weird, and tensioning it is just more fiddly).

I also think that 32:16 is pretty tall, but I like to spin more than most SSers, plus I don't have the power you do.

Milk Money!


# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:32 AM

Just ride the damn thing, quit analyzing it to death. Sheesh!




# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:35 AM

I agree with Dave C (Is everyone here named Dave?) that SS frames are better than eccentric hubs. I have had good luck with them though (with rim brakes). For me, the 'direct' feel in the drivetrain is lost a bit with tensioners. Give it a try if you've got the chance.


# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 9:42 AM

Cool, thanks Fred. I'll prolly take that route for now...

Ed, now that's funny. Tell ya what - you and Mr. Nice start riding with PTs and posting squigly lines on your blog and then I promise I'll just go ride. Deal?


# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 10:03 AM

PTs, squiggly lines! Can I shave my legs instead?



# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 1:59 PM

I can already see the Siren 69'ed SS in your future.
Tell me I'm wrong.


# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 3:29 PM

hey if you know how to make a pm work with a fixedgear and it didn't cost me a year's worth of events =P

I'd love to know how pathetic my power output is! Espaicaly after I get done with 3 weeks of antibiotics!

Dicky you crack me up!

That white industy hub works really well and builds a very light wheel. Really great option for that nice frame you got there.... That sid has got to go though its not rigid nor is it very squishy


# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:12 PM

Ed - with as much as you've got you could be SO much faster by shaving. Man, that's a no-brainer! Better to show burly SS tatoos anyway, right?

Dicky - what's 69er? Siren has 55s but I'm not familiar with the 69er.

Dave C: I've been runing a 32x18. It's working well - just did a big climbing ride on it and it was perfect for that. 32x16 sounds good for stuff like White Rim...or maype the OP course?

Dave N - power on a fixie, now that's a tricky one. I'm not actually sure that's available with current technology. What to do with decceleration power? Veddy tricky.


# @ Thursday, November 08, 2007 4:24 PM

Whatever they call it. 55, 56...whatever it takes.
I was just using the MTBR approved lingo for a half breed.


# @ Friday, November 09, 2007 7:05 AM

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh, the bug has bitten you deep. Now that its venom is in your blood you are helpless to its demise.

If you think you need weight training, convert to rigid. I haven't been to the gym since coverting this time last year.

But then again, I am slow and don't race very often. Be careful though, soon your friends will shun you for climbing too fast.

If you begin to think that you are descending slower than you did with the full suspension, drink a beer and try again.

Brakes are useless, if you can't rail a SS, you can't SS. . .

BTW, disregard all of my useless banter.



# @ Friday, November 09, 2007 5:23 PM

Ok, I'm late to the party, but congrats amigo!

Singulator? Try Singuloser...ditch it before you lose some teeth. If any tensioner, then use the Rennen Rollenlager. e-mail me I've got one you can have. But it's not efficient and you do have losses.

But yeah the ENO hub is a great way to go to use a geared frame. I tired just about every trick there is; magic gears, half-links, pos tensioners etc and the ENO was the only one that worked - but for you, it's a no go because you want the Powertap.

Solution? Hold a Bake Sale and get a SS specific frame and your Powertap dreams will come true.

Oh yeah anigo....ditch the 3 ring cog, and if you wish to re-use a geared cog, run it backwards to get ride of the chain ramps. You can drop a chain when chain stretch occurs. You just need to get track chainring bolts and you can re-use that cog.

- M


# @ Sunday, November 11, 2007 6:12 AM

power? on a SS? read that and wasn't sure if you're kidding or not. strength training? just work on those pint sized curls and ride the damn thang. you, your gear and the trail, everything else is in your head, just pedal, not much more to it

oh, ENO hubs kick ass.